Guest tonycutlass I have owned W30 442s and several Hurst Olds through the years, and most recently a 70 4 speed Rallye 350. The Oldsmobile 442 (pronounced four-four-two) was a muscle car produced by the Oldsmobile division of General Motors. I would rather have a clean all together 200,000 mile car than one claiming such low mileage with everything worn out. When it comes to the W-30 cars, Oldsmobile made only about five or six different Julian codes, and you've got to be able to recognize those carburetors when you see them. The grilles on a 1970 W-31 are very hard to find, but they did come on four-door cars, station wagons, and Cutlass S cars. No, theyre not too common. Your email address will not be published. The car was ordered with the W-31 package and is powered by a numbers-matching 350ci V8 paired with a three-speed automatic transmission. The Antique Automobile Club of America defines the Muscle Car Era as between 1961 and 1974, a wider range than many muscle car enthusiasts recognize. Have you run across any earth-shaking discoveries in the authentication process? Your IP: The body panels, however, appear to be free of crash damage so thats encouraging. Welcome to Drivin' It Home, please email us if you have any questions. Click to reveal Let's face it. Minore (right) chats with Ryan Weaver at the 2015 MCACN show about Weaver's barn-found 1969 W-31. Everything you need to know about your car! When Stephen J. Minore was in high school, his father Joe, a gas station operator, took him aside and gave him some advice. Nope. A couple of years ago I drove out to New Jersey to authenticate a couple of cars for a client in California. The major change for the 1970 W-31 was the deletion of the long induction tubes. The engine was not offered after 1971. Unless you can do every bit of the work on it yourself you will find yourself extremely deep underwater on this one trying to bring it back. Why no drivers side pics? It's no slouch, and a W-31 has run 12.80 quarter-miles at the Pure Stock Drags with a ridiculously low gear of 4.66. . These models were equipped with the 442 package (only on Cutlass Supreme). Powered by Invision Community. There are 17 Oldsmobile Cutlass for sale across all model years (1961 to 1999) and variants, 8 are 3rd Gen and none are model year 1970 . On the positive side, All that lightweighting paired with the zestiest powertrain results in a. I agree. Become a member to add images to your comments. Minore points out the flat ridge found only on the fenders of 1970 Oldsmobiles. A decent quality paint job without body work can easily cost $10k and up by itself. Both 1969 Hurst Olds had the 455 cu. These cars are very rare and attract owners with erudite knowledge of Oldsmobile muscle. Oldsmobile had beat out both Pontiac and Plymouth to be the number 3 best selling brand in the U.S. behind Chevrolet and Ford. The BaT Service Fee is 5% of the bid, with a minimum of $250 up to a maximum of $5,000. It became a model in its own right from 1968 to 1971, then reverted to an option through the mid-1970s. FOLLOW MARKET. Your daily digest of everything happening on the site. The ad does not state which 4-Speed was offered, M-20 or M-21. Menu Search (866) 383-1416; Inventory. At that point I asked the owner if he had any paperwork and he said yes. In time, he also began buying Oldsmobile parts cars and stripping them. The one major detraction from the car was a missing carburetor that Jimmy says is "probably the hardest W-31 part to find." Most powerful production V-8 engine with 797 horsepower and 707 lb. Although it used the same block as the 455, GM management would not allow Oldsmobile to install an engine of more than 400 cubic inches in the mid size B body. Oldsmobile Rallye 350 (1970 to 1970) CMB $31,469 FOLLOW MARKET The Oldsmobile Rallye 350 was a limited production performance model available for the 1970 model year. 1970 f85 w31 the car has everything a w31 has except carb intake and harmonic balancer has edelbrock carb and intake on it now and its a automatic trans which was rare only 52 made and its correct for a w31 car has matching number block but has 71 heads on it car needs some . This Cutlass S W-31 is now offered with a broadcast sheet, a Protect-O-Plate, owners manuals, an ownership summary, and a clean Colorado title in the sellers name. There are several other unique components to these engines such as 6 blade fan and fan clutch, larger harmonic balancer, matched heavy duty valve springs, Special Camshaft using 308/474 specs, and Performance Calibrated Q-Jet Carburetor. I have the original carburetor numbers and pictures so I can compare the fonts. The exterior of this Cutlass is fair. That too has its own part number. 1970 W-31 Production numbers: 1,029 Cutlass S Holiday coupes like this one. Show of hands, has anyone ever owned or driven a W-31 Cutlass and what was it like? Kids with heads full of Hendrix, Joplin, and Dr. Leary took the wheel of high-horsepower youth machines for the first time everwith often tragic consequences. Sliding into the number one spot, the French brand was named the most reliable car brand of all, beating all other manufacturers to the top. The front passenger fender looks to be a repaint. All contents 2023 The best vintage and classic cars for sale online | Bring a Trailer, Privacy Notice You've always got to be on the lookout for things like that, especially when you're looking at these high end cars. The Olds Cutlass accounted for 154,300 of them. Interior and a lot of the body tells me that. The Ramrod 350 Cutlass appeared in 1968 and became the W31 in 1969. More than 300,000 Porsche cars were sold in 2021. June 17, 2010 in Technical, I am trying to determine if my 1970 350 is a w31 engine, It has #6 heads with 1.62 exhaust valves and it has a large harmonic ballancer,can some one tell me how to know for sure. A complete interior is going to cost a minimum of $2500 by itself. Love the car! "Another thing I've done is take a lot of pictures. The seller advises that it has rust but the floors and trunk are very solid. Celebrating the 100,000th Bring a Trailer Auction! Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31's assembled in 1970 across all body styles. The needle was buried to end peg. FASTEST TOP SPEED OF ANY PRODUCTION MUSCLE CAR( Disclosure4), 3) Porsche 911 3.0 Carrera RS 109 built. During the period from 1968-1972 most Olds Cutlass buyers went with the V-8 series standard 350 cubic inch engine. Then there's the more obvious. For 1970, 3,100 W-30s were built. The manufacturer estimates that about 200 Taycan cars cannot be built per day. What makes the W-31 the car it is, is Oldsmobile 325 HP, 350 CI, V8 engine. In addition, a W-31 would never have had a 3-groove pulley because A/C was not available with that motor. Much appreciate the deep dive on the details, very helpful! While it is true these are limited number models, the cost to restore this after paying the asking price will put you upside down in a hurry. An original 1970 W-30 car like the one I authenticated in Chicago [Beth Bimbi's Oldsmobile, "Mom's W-30," Feb. '16] is easy to authenticate. (Opt Out of Sale/Targeted Ads). The engine balancer is big and as rare as hen's teeth. The 1968, 1969, and 1970 carburetors are W-31-specific, have their own W-31 part numbers, and are big-dollar items. Look at the drivers door closeup showing the GM label, there is paint overspray there as well. AS mentioned above, the Cutlass W-31 came with a 350 cubic inch V-8 engine with 325 HP. . Tim Murphy (right), a longtime friend of Minore's (and a "1969 fanatic"), helps him remove the air cleaner on Weaver's W-31 to check the date code on the air cleaner and the number on the carburetor. I wanted to see how things were put together. Quickest production Charger ever with a quarter-mile elapsed time (ET) of 10.6 seconds at 129 mph. Admittedly this is a rare car, its documentation and understated nature is an attractive draw, but Im not sure about that price reasonable or a bit outsized? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Please enable JavaScript to engage in the discussion on this site. A W-31 is not the same as a big-block W-30, but it's still a real W-Machine with a fiberglass hood with functional ram air feeding a 325hp 350 purposely built by Oldsmobile for enthusiasts. The large O in the upper left corner of this TH400 transmission tag tells you it's for an Oldsmobile, while the 70 in the lower left corner denotes the 1970 model year. It was the body number, which matched the one on his cowl tag. The W31 package actually existed in 1968 but it was known as the Ram-Rod and it was essentially the same car, it just used the Ram-Rod badge for identification as opposed to the W-31 moniker. It's clean work, and you have a natural talent for it.". Hopefully a prospective buyer can negotiate a somewhat lower price. Visible through the windshield. These models were equipped with W-29 442 equipment.
. A full-size spare wheel with a Goodyear tire is located in the trunk. If it's a four-speed car, I look to make sure that nobody's tampered with it and installed a new transmission tunnel. You see, unlike today's completely insane muscle car marketplacewhere typical buyers of these 550 to 840 horsepower road kings age between 40 and 140, always pay their insurance bills on time, and seldom do crazy things on public roadsthe muscle car move of the 1960s was a first-time-around deal. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,600],'barnfinds_com-leader-1','ezslot_9',149,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-barnfinds_com-leader-1-0'); This is a car that requires a personal inspection The steering wheel looks pretty worn, both pedal pads are missing, even the paint on the pedals is worn off, the drivers door arm rest pad is shot, the seats, has the odometer rolled over? These models were equipped with the W-31 350 package. The transmission in a W-30 would have an OW. "I was shocked when I saw it," Jimmy McKeague said. Quickly, it cost as much to insure a Street Hemi or Six Pack Mopar, Boss, Shelby or Cobra Jet Ford, LS6, RAIV, Stage I or W-Machine from GM as it did to pay the monthly contract on the car itself. Enter the junior super car. With a 4.0L flat-six engine, the 911 GT3 achieves up to 500 ps with 338 lb-ft of torque and a top speed of. Something well never know. . i owned a 1970 olds w31, had the marked w31 engine/w hurst 3spd auto with dual gate, bought from Lyle Rudolf in Mad city, Wisc, all paperwork incl, absolute mint condition, no rust, perfect interior, pd 12k, sold a few yrs later for 16k, last time i saw it , it was on the front page of the Wisconsin state Journal with a school bus buried in its azz end all the way up to the rear seat, should have never sold that damn car, regret it ever since, for resto purposes, i would give possibly 8-9k for that 31, i think that would be fair, by the time you put it back to mint,it will be worth its true value. I see it is from the rust belt, but the rust seems fairly severe for 49k miles. The seller states, The original motor starts up and runs good. It was obviously a 350/325hp car with all the options. Too bad the seller wants top dollar for a project car and cant even change the clutch! The following year the car was changed to the W-31. This luxury model suffers from a. There was no crush zone in it and ran the whole length of the fender. The automaker itself might have actually contributed to this with their late 1980s promotion of not your fathers Oldsmobile. Additional photos are presented in the gallery below showing the suspension, chassis, and driveline, as well as corrosion on portions of the underside. The car will move, but the clutch is shot. He also includes a burb stating that this Olds is a 49K mile example. I have pictures of the cars that I actually took apart and took photographs of and can tell within two seconds whether the VIN is right because I have examined so many cars. That's why, in 2013, he noticed a post on the classicoldsmobile.com forum from Andy Wenz of Cleveland. A power steering system was reportedly installed by the original owner, while updates by the seller are said to include resealing of the steering gear, re-installation of the power steering equipment, replacement of the center steering link and hoses and shock absorbers as well as performing an alignment. The body was refinished in its factory shade of Nugget Gold Metallic (53) during prior ownership in 1984 according to the seller, and photos of paint meter readings are provided in the gallery below along with close-up photos depicting the paint and trim. His cousin Pete Chillemi owned a 1972 Olds 4-4-2 W-30 four-speed car, red with white stripes. Just picked up a 65 dodge dart from the original owner, 32000 miles on it. 50 years of rust hiding who knows where, may sink a sale, upon close up inspection. Performance & security by Cloudflare. Production was very low. The last set I found went for crazy money, $700 per pair! Thanked 11 Times in 2 Posts would be nice to see it redone,not just flipped all over the place. The 68 Ram-Rod used the standard 4-Barrel Distributor. Materials and finishes are shown further in the gallery below. The two kept in contact, and in January 2018, Jimmy made an appointment to look at the Oldsmobile. Total 1970 Oldsmobile production was 633,980 vehicles. Oldsmobile Division only made 500 of those cars, and all of them were four-speeds. A shuffling of the Macan SUV lineup brings more potent firepower to the now-midrange S model. The 1970 Oldsmobile W-Machines (W-30, W-31), all manufactured in Lansing, Michigan are considered to be the ultimate Oldsmobile Super Cars. Its not accurate. Dabblers or flippers in the muscle car hobby would likely mistake the unique W-31 350 as a common GM V-8 fitted with a four-barrel. Sign up for a new account in our community. I had a 72 Cutlass Supreme, had a 4 barrel carbshe was slow on takeoff, but I had her pegged past 130 on speedometer. Larger engines, high end wheels are a few of the modifications. Sitting at the top of our list is the Porsche Cayenne with an impressive 84.2% retained retail value after three years. Also hood air induction and disc brakes are added. These are some of the most sought after muscle cars, by collectors and enthusiasts alike. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. What does it take to build a 911? The BMW S85 is a naturally aspirated V10 petrol engine which replaced the BMW S62 V8 engine in the M5 model and was produced from 20052010. Very rare car in restorable condition. Lot #65,720. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Andy's father, John, bought this W-31 brand new, then parked it in his housethis housein 1984. With that being said, the asking price is ridiculous. The average annual repair cost is $652 which means it has average ownership costs. During the second decade of the models run, the Olds Cutlass would take the position as the best selling American car for much of the 1970s and early 1980s. The Cayenne is a great example of how sometimes more expensive vehicles are worth the investment since they do in fact hold their value for longer. Additional factory equipment includes a six-blade fan and a N10 dual-exhaust system. The factory chalk marks aren't usually there anymore. Not only does Minore authenticate classic Oldsmobile muscle cars, but he also works on them, seen here with a 1967 W-30. Porsche offers the 911 in six trim levels: Carrera, Carrera S, Lamborghini dealerships own the vehicles seen in showrooms and if you want one be prepared to wait six to 12 months. It is located in Cleveland, Ohio, and available here on craigslist for $22,500. These cars have a lot of rare engine parts on them, Minore says, including carburetors that were W-31 specific. Oldsmobile people would actually go just to look for me. The W-31 actually started out in 1968 and was the Cutlass-based Ram Rod 350. It had ram air, sport mirrors, W-31 side stripes, and W-31 fender badges, but otherwise it looked just like a W-30. Item specifics. By Meriden, Connecticut's Stephen Minore is a self-professed "Oldsmobile nut" with a particular interest in the 1970 W-Machines. How hard would it be to change out the clutch or even rebuild the tranny for that $22k ask? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. (Article and photos copyright Auto Museum Online), Your email address will not be published. The 1970 W-30 featured a 455 cubic inch 370 HP engine. You CAN get a good indication if the motor appears to be original and unmolested, and if all the correct W-31 equipment is in place. Does not have the original carb. Obviously, that dramatically boosted the value of the car. It is laughable that this somewhat unusual Cutlass is being sold on Craigslist. Horsepower was reported at 325 at 5400rpm, even though the mill featured a new aluminum intake manifold. It's vital that you take a look at the firewall to see that it hasn't been fooled with. Research indicates that there were about 1,300 W-31s assembled in 1970 across all body styles. The tach in the dash currently isnt the original OEM tic-toc-tach. Porsche and BMW are very different premium brands one is known for speed and agility and the other for luxury and engine power. Let Us Sell Your Oldsmobile Coupe. LOL Seriously, though, having driven my girlfriends 2003 loaded Camry all over the country I can say without a doubt they routinely get you from point A to B without issue. I question even a lot of pristine cars on Ebay the same way. These models were equipped with the Hurst/Olds package. He pulled it out, and it was the broadcast sheetthat car's Golden Ticket! 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass 'S' Sports Coupe W31 #5 02-18-2023, 07:06 PM tom M. Junior Member : Join Date: Aug 2019. However, auto reviewers have given the Lamborghini Huracan an overall reliability rating of. "History really makes these cars become that much more interesting," Jimmy says. Get Used 1970 Oldsmobile Values Select a 1970 Oldsmobile Model Select a vehicle year and model below to get a valuation. The muscle car's future looked grim. See prices, photos, and find dealers near you. Condition: New: A brand-new, unused, unopened, undamaged item (including handmade . This 1970 Cutlass S is a Nugget Gold Metallic hardtop that was first sold at Tapper Chevrolet-Oldsmobile in Montpelier, Idaho, and it reportedly remained with its original owner until 2018 and now shows 75k miles. Clarke..American Muscle Cars: A Full-Throttle History by Darwin Holmstrom and Tom Glatch. The Rochester Quadrajet, PN 7040255 and specific to the W-31 automatic and manual transmission cars, is very valuable. Minore was there to authenticate the car, which we recently featured in Rare Finds ("More Than Just a Car," Sept. '15). 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass W-31 Collector Values. Sales receded to 920 W-30s for 1971 and just 772 for 1972. There were 165 3rd Gen sold in the last 5 years. I don't have a lift, a compressor, or anything like that, just handtools. That too has its own part number. Standard equipment in the Porsche Macan is pretty generous all models come with LED headlights, front and rear parking sensors, DAB radio, triple-zone climate control, part-leather seats, 19-inch alloy wheels, electrically adjustable seats and power-folding mirrors. This was the era prior to the Federal environmental and safety regulations taking effect. Jimmy, already a W-31 owner, informed Andy that his 1970 Oldsmobile was a W-31. They have the wrong markings on the bolt heads. DAA Industry Opt Out Cars are made in every corner of the globe, but when it comes to Porsche, home is definitely where the heart is. Your real-time updates could not be connected. Oldsmobile built the W-31 as "somewhat of an insurance-beater," or a "junior supercar" with engine parts "hand-picked" for a "blueprinted" build, he says. Oldsmobile muscle car fanatics, you will want to take a very close look at this amazing Olds W-Machine! If you don't win, your existing pre-authorization will be released. Sales began to drop and its a bit of a debate as to what the cause was. Rare Fully Restored 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Rallye 350 Coupe :: 1 Year Production, Only 3,547 Produced, Powered by Numbers Matching 350ci 310hp V8 Engine, 700R4 Overdrive Transmission, Sebring Primo Classics International LLC This W-31 is equipped with a four-speed manual transmission, definitely a nice find. "Unless you have a paper trail, it's next to impossible to say this is a true W-31 factory car," he says. The seller states it is all original. 1970 Oldsmobile vehicle identification number (vin) decoder. A special edition Hurst/Olds paced the Indy in 1972. Tune in as we explore this one-of-160-built F85-based Rallye 350! There are Julian codes on the front disc brake calipers, the master cylinder, and the radiator tag. 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This car is way overpriced, by the time you bring it back to life you will have well over $50,000 invested. If the latter is true,then it appears to be very hard miles. Power's 2020 ranking of the most reliable brands. The predecessor to the 1969 W-31 was Oldsmobile's 1968 Ram Rod 350. I think for under 10k worth of work you could have a really nice ride that would be a blast to drive and just be seen in!! The W-31 for the 68 and 69 year had a cast iron intake and #5 Heads. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. 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The W-31 was filled with day-two parts, such as a vintage MSD box, an ACCEL Super Coil, headers, a high-stall converter, red airbags in the springs, a Sun Tach, and gauge pod. For more info, read about our auctions or email us with any questions. Factory Tach doesnt appear to be missing, where would it go? Do you want to have hands like this when you get to be my age? 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass 1970 CUTLASS SUPREME COUPE REBUILT 455 V8 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION 442 TRIBUTE BEAUTIFUL BLACK PA . These fenders had a flat ridge running all the way down to where they meet the hood. I started buying cars in 1980 and through the years they almost all had at least 70k and yet somehow all these cars have half that 30-40 yrs later There is a good amount of rust on areas visible in the photos, and you dont have any photos of the drivers side at all. inch block. Starting around 1967, automobile insurance companies started premium surcharges on cars with outsized horsepower or low curb weight to power ratios. The Cutlass would turn out to be one of the industrys longest-running and most successful names. Additional Auto Museum Online articles on the links below.. Reference material for this article included..Oldsmobile Muscle Portfolio 1964-1971 by R.M. (faster than 130). No power brakes on these due to the wild cam profile,,, the minuete I read that as a teenager back in 82 I had to have one, never found one, seen so so few. And further inspection may reveal other things to use when dickering the price down. The muscle car movement was quite strong during the latter 1960s but automakers did see a need to offer lower cost performance cars. Im willing to bet the lower fender, rockers, and rear wheel lips are shot as well. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. If everything checked out, then negotiation would definitely occur to the satisfaction of both parties. $98,999 Dealership CC-1670126 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Curb weight is 3,342 lbs. Sell your Oldsmobile Coupe with Gateway Classic Cars. Thanks to Adam F for this tip! W-31s have a lot of rare engine parts on them. The 1970 W31 350 shared its gold paint and number 6 cylinder heads with the Rallye 350's L74, but major W31 upgrades included an aluminum intake manifold, high-speed crank damper, lumpy. Oldsmobile Decoding Oldsmobile Engine Color Cutlass Production Numbers Mopar Decoding Mopar Engine Colors Mopar Fender Tag Decoding 4-Speed Transmission Decoding Engine Decoding Mopar VIN Decoding VIN 1964 & 1965 VIN 1966 & 1967 VIN 1968 & 1974 Cutlass Production Numbers Subscribe to our mailing list The seller acquired the car in April 2021, and subsequent work is said to have included installation of a Bluetooth-capable stereo, performing an alignment, servicing of the power steering system, and replacement of the shocks and tires. I would go to people I had sold parts to and ask, 'You own a 1970 4-4-2 don't you? To be able to look at a picture of an original W-30 car from back in the day to reference something is priceless.". Supreme Holiday Hardtop Supreme Convertible Supreme 4-Door Holiday Hardtop Handling 1970 Averages The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 69.50 inches in width, The 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass measures 203.20 inches in length, and has a wheelbase of 112.00 inches. Olds dealer propaganda touted the Rallye 350's base price of $3,252.84 was $67.16 less than a comparably equipped Plymouth Road Runnerthe original budget muscle car. The next two numbers afterwards should decode . Then in 1971, GM mandated a decree that said there had to be crush zones built into the fenders, so from 1971-1972, all fenders have built-in crush zones. W-31 fender emblems. Of the above 442 production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the W-30 4-bbl engine. Bidding will advance immediately to $. It was both BMW's first and only production V10 engine, and the first petrol V10 engine to be available in a production sedan (saloon). Obviously, I look at the VIN on the block and transmission. Steve Magnante states that only 1,029 W-31s were built on the F-85 & Cutlass platform. If so please use the bidding box above. Major difference was the AC cars had C heads, Non AC cars had D heads. This car has seen some rough riding. no way. RULES: No profanity, politics, or personal attacks. Of the above production, these models were equipped with the L-69 32-bbl engine. I'm currently in the process of working on a W-31 Authentication Guide and am hoping to have it published sometime next year.University Of Washington General Surgery Current Residents,
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